So I did an experiment on the FP

"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove) 03/10/2016 at 00:43 • Filed to: massive shit storm

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I’ve always wondered about the “selective morality” of drivers out on the road, or perhaps a better term is “selective ethics”? It’s the mental state that makes everyone think “I’m a better driver than everyone else” and also leads to the conviction that “everything I do is okay because reasons, but other people’s behavior pisses me off.” We’re all guilty of it at one time or another.

So yesterday there was an article on Jalopnik about Michigan cracking down on left-lane cruisers, and I took the opportunity to do a little experiment. This is a synopsis of my results.

The situation. I am on a two-lane highway cruising along at maybe 5-10 mph over the speed limit, not enough that I’ll get pulled over. The cars in the right lane are going 5-10 mph slower than I am (because semi trucks, people merging, or just wanting to go slower). So, I said that if there are strings of cars in the right lane that I want to pass, then I will just stay in the left lane until I get to a large enough gap that I can move back over right without having to slow way down. I called this a state of “sustained passing”.

The reaction. This did not go over well with the FP commentariat. Not. At. All. But I made it even more interesting. I said that if someone zooms up on my ass while I am in the left lane, that I do not feel any obligation to get over immediately and dump all my speed, but rather I will keep going until I finish passing the cars I want to and can get over without scrubbing all my speed, and the person behind me can just be patient because we are already going over the speed limit (in other words, he has no reasonable legal complaint that I am impeding him in some way).

Now this is why the torches and pitchforks really came out. A couple of people said that they understood my rationale, but most thought I was way out of bounds. Their arguments can be summarized like this: “the law says you have to get over so I can continue obliterating the speed limit law.”

The analysis. Most of the vitriol against me came down to this: 1) “you must get over right because I want to pass you, and that takes precedence over your passing maneuver”, 2) “you are not entitled to maintain your speed, but I am and you must slow yourself so I don’t have to”, 3) “you are breaking a law and that is unacceptable because it is preventing me from breaking another law; this makes you a dick, but I am justified”. Notables: one person actually called me “entitled” and didn’t seem to notice the irony in that statement, while another blamed me for causing other people to have to make dangerous moves to get around me (because I am responsible for other people’s bad choices, apparently).

This was a beautiful illustration of the blind spot so many of us have for our own driving behavior. We rail at others for their transgressions but excuse our own. And it’s not even difficult to do. It comes naturally for most of us. It reminded me of the rolling road blocks the Dallas police did a while back on the freeways (as in the picture at the top). A number of folks actually tried to zoom past the cops on the shoulder and were indignant when the police stopped and cited them for it. Now that’s entitlement at its finest.

Anyway, I took a lot of shit (mostly from people I don’t see regularly and more than half from the grays), but it was an interesting experiment. Oh, and for the record, I actually do get over for people going faster than I, but I’m not going to get trapped at sublight speed in the right lane to do it. So, if you ever come up behind me, please be patient until I can get out of your way without having to touch my brakes. :)

E92M3 > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:01

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I completely agree with your reasoning except in 1 scenario. If you see me approaching in the left lane going 15mph faster than you are, and you decide to pull into the left lane to pass, causing me to slam on the brakes. This happens to me all the time. Usually I’m going just 5 mph over the limit, but the right lane is 10 below the limit for some reason or another. If I’m far enough back that I can let off the gas to match your speed till you can get back over, I don’t mind. But to pull out causing the person already in that lane to brake is just selfish. 9 times out of 10 they could wait 2 seconds, and have the lane to themselves because there is no one behind me.

Svend > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:03

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Personally if someone came up on me at speed even excessively over the speed limit, it is wiser to pull in where safe to do so to let the speeder past. If they are prepared to go way over the speed limit, they may start tailgating and zig-zagging to harass me. Easier for all to pull in, let them pass then pull back out, again where safe to continue your manoeuvre.

If they are driving erratically you may wish to phone the police and advise them of the other car’s licence plate and driving manor.

HammerheadFistpunch > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:07

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2 things.

This experiment on jalopnik thing is silly because the results are almost always known ahead of time...its like seeing if you can get people riled up on youtube.

Your scenario is usually addressed in the specifics of the laws. I.e. in utah the law says you are required to clear the left lane if and when traffic in the right lanes allows, so you can satisfy both laws and the contidiction

valsidalv, reminding you that infiniti is an option > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:08

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FP sure does have a temperament! I agree with you but also don't agree with you. If I find myself passing in the left lane and someone gets on my ass but, as you put it, I have a chain of cars to pass, I will increase my speed a bit and try to move over as early as possible. As long as you're passing cars on the right I feel as though you have a claim to the left lane but do be somewhat considerate of the maniac behind you.

Chariotoflove > E92M3 03/10/2016 at 01:11

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I agree with you on that. The person who does that is either being inconsiderate on purpose or isn't paying attention before they swing out. Either way, they are someone you need to avoid.

Urambo Tauro > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:15

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I’ve been guilty of selective morality, or “double standards”. Because I am one of those who cares about the way I drive, it’s something that has bugged me for a long time. I have had to change and evolve my driving habits in many ways over the years. And I don’t think I’m done yet.

One of the things I have decided on is that I am responsible for my driving and my driving alone. It’s not my job to force the law upon others, nor is it my duty to keep the way clear for illegal maneuvers.

There are times when I want to speed, but the problem is: I don’t have the right. So while it may be my choice to make of whether or not to take the risk, it MUST NOT involve other drivers. So when I get “stuck” behind someone going slow, my next choices depend on whether the other driver is going objectively slow or subjectively slow .

If they’re going the under the speed limit (objectively, arguably slow), I look for a passing opportunity. But if they’re doing the full speed limit (subjectively “slow”), I have no business “pressuring” them to go faster. That means no blowing the horn, no flashing of lights, and absolutely no tailgating. I will wait as long as I have to. Because they’re the ones who are doing the right thing.

Chariotoflove > HammerheadFistpunch 03/10/2016 at 01:15

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Maybe I’m new enough, but I honestly did not know how the balance of the comments would fall in my scenario. In other words, I was not just shit stirring, but genuinely curious for the reasons I stated. I will admit I did have my hypothesis, however.

The laws are different in different states, and I didn’t want to get into looking up the particulars, but you raise a good point. I am pretty sure my actions don't amount to breaking any laws in TX, and I have never drawn the ire of a cop who observes me.

Chariotoflove > Svend 03/10/2016 at 01:17

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You are right, and I didn’t get into that. In that case, and I likely have my family with me on a road trip, I opt for safety and get over, even if it means slowing. I don’t need that on my tail.

HammerheadFistpunch > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:19

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All that being said, its sad that the experiment panned out in the expected way

Chariotoflove > valsidalv, reminding you that infiniti is an option 03/10/2016 at 01:21

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You make a good point. It's a judgement call you have to make on the spot. I may be selfish enough that I don't want to inconvenience myself, but I also don't want to be a complete dick. If they really want to pass, I try to accommodate them to a reasonable extent.

Chariotoflove > Urambo Tauro 03/10/2016 at 01:24

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I think you have the right attitude, and I admire that. I’m certainly not always on the side of the Angels, but I have learned to chill out and not be a danger to others. And I got over that immature thing about teaching other people a lesson long ago. That just makes me more of a danger than the person I am trying to “teach”.

Chariotoflove > HammerheadFistpunch 03/10/2016 at 01:27

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It is a little sad. I had expected more of a balance. One thing I did notice was that most of the nastiness came from people who are not Oppo regulars. That kind of buoyed my impression that Opponauts are a cut above the usual internet commenter.

That said, I think I'm done with social experiments for a while. Time to get back to my fluff smart ass posts.

Svend > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:33

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Ye’, it’s best to let the idiots get past and let them put some distance between you and them.

Don’t become a statistic.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:53

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I feel the same way. One thing I’ve had happen to me on numerous occasions that I find oddly satisfying and annoying at the same time is when a group of cars comes up right behind me seemingly very impatient while I’m in the left lane passing a chain. When space permits I’ll move right, then find that most, or even all, of the cars behind me also move over to the right rather than pass me. In that case I’ll just jump straight back to the left to pass the next chain.

Berang > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 01:58

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The only important person on these roads we all paid for is me. Also laws don’t apply to me, because me.

Tangential effect I noticed on the pedestrian death post: when somebody complains about bad drivers crashing their vehicle into other people’s vehicles - everybody will pile on about how bad most drivers are, how they don’t pay attention, don’t know how to drive, etc.

Complain about bad drivers crashing their vehicle into other people - and it’s pedestrians are stupid, are always asking for it, are so dangerous, and suddenly it’s outrageous to believe anybody driving a car doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Kailand09 > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 06:23

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I grew up in a city where people in general drive fast and the left lane is probably used properly more often than other areas.

I completely disagree with sticking in the left even if you’re passing. The issue is you’re inhibiting someone else. My rule of thumb is if you can’t keep up, get over until the left lane traffic is open or the speed you prefer.

It’s a relative to traffic. Problem is, many five 25+ over in this area, so even if you’re 10 over you could be slow and still passing someone technically speeding.

It's very easy to just get over and allow traffic to flow by, otherwise you cause a traffic jam the same as a slow left lane driver does.

jariten1781 > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 07:32

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Wait, where is it illegal to be in the left lane if you're passing?...laws are generally written 'must drive in right lane unless overtaking' or 'must drive in right lane if traveling less than the normal speed of traffic'. The only one I'm aware of is Virginia and it's written really weird...it says that two vehicles may not remain abreast if a driver that intends to overtake flashes their lights or honks. I've never once heard of it being enforced and most people aren't even aware it exists. They also have a standard must remain right unless passing law.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 07:44

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I’m actually pretty good about this. I tend to fly down the road and know that not everyone else does. What pisses me off is when the person in the passing lane is not passing or is barely passing or sees me coming and decides that they need to get over now instead of wait two seconds to pull in behind me. Those are the ones I get angry at. If not one of those, I’ll pull up, but not aggressively or super close. Just the “hey, I’m here when you get a chance and don’t want someone slower than me to try to squeeze in” close. More often than not they speed up a bit in that situation to make it easier. Politeness goes both ways.

DoYouEvenShift > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 07:44

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That B4C tho!!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 07:46

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They’re usually doing it on purpose. They see someone coming and think “oh, I better go now!” instead of looking and seeing that that person’s going to pass and then they can make their maneuver.

oldmxer > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 07:56

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thank God there is at least one other sane person out there, I think you and I may be the last two, thank you

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 07:57

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Lets break this down into several different scenarios.

I am in the right hand lane. You are passing. I don’t give a damn how slowly you get past, as long as you aren’t in my (eg if I wanted to pull out and pass the guy in front but you are passing too slowly) or someone else’s way. Everyone is seemingly at peace and doing the speed they want to do.

I am in the left lane in your position, doing the speed I want in the “extended pass”. I see nothing unreasonable about it, around here drivers suck and it’s often the only way to get anywhere. However, if someone comes up behind faster, I will tend to speed up to get them off my ass. At the very least I will split the difference with them if they want to go faster than I would like in an area I’m not familiar with (as in where I don’t know where the cops hide). Bear in mind though, I live in an area where the limits are absolutely rediculous. Nobody obeys them, and I see nothing wrong with the speeds 90% of those going faster than me are doing, it’s just they are prepared to risk more than me. I won’t think them an idiot for going faster, I see them as simply exercising a choice that I didn’t. So yeah, I basically view myself as an obstruction, and as I don’t like obstructions I’ll speed up until there’s a gap for me.

I am in the right lane, approaching you in your “extended pass”. I expect you to do the same for me. I don’t want you to hit the brakes and get over, as that’ll mean I have to do the same. I want you to speed up (like I said, even splitting the difference is OK. No effort at all is where I’m going to turn into a seething mess and bumperhump you for miles*). Then, when you’ve found a gap, I want you to get over. Immediately.

*No not really. I don’t like to get too close if I don’t have to, it limits all your other moves because you don’t have time to check blind spots and mirrors in case the guy hits the brakes.

That's gonna leave a mark! > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 08:12

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I’m with you 100%. Three lane interstate around Chicago- right lane 5 over, middle lane 10 over, left lane as fast as you can go. That is the normal progression however I have been in the middle or right lane doing my 5 or 10 over and someone behind me is pissed- even though there is room in the two other lanes to pass me. They are pissed I’m in THEIR way. No matter what you do some dick is going to be pissed at you because you are on their road and not doing what they, through mental telepathy, told you to do.

450X_FTW > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 08:20

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Your driving experiment is very German like, I like it. Seriously just the way people drive in Germany when I’m over there makes me want to move there. Pass on the left, get back to the right. If you’re speeding past traffic and someone is tailgating you, wait until a gap appears to the right and get over.

bobbe17 > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 08:51

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My view is just be considerate. If staying in the left lane is going to hold up the guy behind you for a few minutes, sacrifice going slow for the ten seconds to move over and let him by. If moving over to the right lane is going to trap you there for an extended period of time, then stay in the left lane, maybe speed up a little to be nice.

iSureWilll > valsidalv, reminding you that infiniti is an option 03/10/2016 at 08:55

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This. You don’t HAVE to move over right away if you are already speeding and passing people. If I see someone come up behind me quickly then I will speed up a little, even if it is increasingly over the speed limit, so I can move over and let the excessive speeder by. I will then resume my normal ‘5mph over’ speed.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 09:00

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I actually do exactly what you describe. I think I gave you a star. Don’t remember. I only ge angry at left lane hogs who drive below the limit or irregularly (no signals, random braking, etc...)

brianbrannon > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 09:00

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It’s the passing lane. Not the keep going the speed I’m going until I feel like getting over lane. I think you missed your own selective morality of holding up traffic so you aren’t inconvenienced

wiffleballtony > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 09:09

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I agree with your rationale.

I will also say that so few people obey the left lane is for passing, unless the police actively pull people over its a moot point.

In my area the freeways have basically become a tiered system. Right lane is people doing 65, middle is people doing 75 or less and the left is over 75. If you try to get in the middle lane to let people pass you’re almost always going to be slowing way down. As such we have a lot of left lane sitting because if you’re doing around 80, you’re going to be passing a car ever 20 seconds or less.

wiffleballtony > HammerheadFistpunch 03/10/2016 at 09:12

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I think the true experiment is to post a youtube video people are riled up at.

jmedarts > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 09:45

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Actual experiments are controlled. The situation you described on the FP is not the one you described above. You’re not an a**hole above, you were pretty clearly an a**hole on the FP comment.

Milky > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 09:59

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This is where you pissed everyone off:

.... maybe 5 mph over) and cruise there. I’ll get over when someone comes fast behind me, but honestly, if I’m already over the limit, and they are doing Warp 8 up to my ass, I don’t feel too bad that they have to brake because no one has any business going that fast, and they have no right to complain how I’m keeping them from flagrantly breaking the law.

Which you left out of this post.

If you’re not passing someone get over. Or don’t, I’ll just pass you on the right.

Chariotoflove > Kailand09 03/10/2016 at 10:14

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I understand what you are saying, but it doesn’t always work out that way where I drive. I am trying to travel at a reasonable rate of speed, and often that means not the speed the cars in the right lane are going, hence the pass. If others behind me want to maintain a speed that is much higher than mine, that is fine, but I am not going to give up my pace for the sake of theirs. They can wait a bit until we can both get what we want.

Chariotoflove > jariten1781 03/10/2016 at 10:25

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That’s just it, it’s not. A commenter named wooly_bear described it:

“I think the biggest issue with the whole concept of the passing lane is how fast, or how quickly someone passes another. that’s where people get irate and rage. IMO passing is passing - A semi-truck passing another semi-truck with a differential of 2mph is still passing. yes it is slow, yes it might piss you off - but they are PASSING.”

Chariotoflove > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 03/10/2016 at 10:27

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Thanks, I returned the star!

Chariotoflove > brianbrannon 03/10/2016 at 10:35

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Nah, I don’t think I’m morally superior to others. I’m not willing to shoulder all the inconvenience myself so that the other guy (who doesn't care about my convenience) doesn't have to. Anyway, I think you missed the part where I said I was in a state of sustained passing.

Chariotoflove > wiffleballtony 03/10/2016 at 10:37

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Yes, and I think that in heavy traffic that makes better use of the lanes than religiously keep the leftmost lane empty as much as possible.

Chariotoflove > jmedarts 03/10/2016 at 10:42

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You know, I looked back, and I didn't specify in my original post that my behavior resulted in a state of sustained passing, although I think it was implied. I added that explicitely in a follow up post. I still disagree that I was an asshole. All I ever said was that I was trying to maintain a sustained speed that was actually not slow at all, not that I was blithely obstructionist.

Chariotoflove > Milky 03/10/2016 at 10:51

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Perhaps that was a little “shit-stirry”, and I should have been more explicitely that I’m in a sustained state of pass against the right lane. I did specifically say in this post that it’s funny how those people were throwing the moral argument of left lane cruising at me while ignoring the moral argument against flagrant speeding. Honestly though, if someone really wants to get by me and can’t wait until I can get over in a way that lets me maintain speed, then yeah, they have the option of passing me on the right.

Milky > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 11:37

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You’re still missing the point. If someone has “the option of passing me on the right” you’re doing it wrong. If there is room to go around you, you had more room to get over and back.

There is no moral argument to be made about who is breaking which law more. Its as simple as “keep right except to pass”.

Chariotoflove > Milky 03/10/2016 at 11:48

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Actually the point I was trying to male is that people will often choose which option is more “right” based on how it works for them. You made an implicit value judgment in your last sentence, thus contradicting the sentence immediately preceding it. “keep right” vs. “don’t speed”. You just made your choice of which you value more because if you were doing the latter, then the former wouldn’t matter (because you wouldn’t need to pass me).

Say for the sake of argument that I concede that I am doing wrong in the above scenario. The point I make about the other driver’s choice is still valid.

Elumerere > Milky 03/10/2016 at 12:05

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It also makes for a better flow of traffic, if people just stay in the right lane and use the left only for overtaking. Unless there’s tons of traffic, it makes for a more relaxed ride, less accidents and less anger issues..

brianbrannon > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 12:05

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I didn't miss it. Driving slightly over the speed limit is not sustained passing. You obviously think it’s okay for you to hold up traffic but not if someone else does it. That’s moral superiority

Urambo Tauro > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 12:29

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I agree. However, I think it would be appropriate for the passer and the passee to facilitate the maneuver together. Especially in places where the truck speed limit is slower than the standard limit (like Michigan’s 70mph/60mph freeways).

If no one else is around, I’ve got no problem with the pass taking a long time. But if there are ANY vehicles approaching that have a legitimate right to go faster, perhaps the truck getting passed should slow down even more to minimize the length of time the pass is taking.

If the slow truck is going 58, and the fast truck is going 60, Michigan won’t allow for the passing truck to speed up to get back in the right lane sooner. And the law doesn’t require the 58 truck to slow down, either. The only thing the law has to say in the matter is that the passing truck might be impeding traffic. And I’ll admit that’s open to interpretation, and probably has a lot to do with just how long the car behind is waiting.

So where the law fails, courtesy must take over. I think the 58 truck here ought to voluntarily reduce speed for a moment, even though there’s no such obligation. As soon as the 60 truck returns to the right lane, the other truck can get back up to 58, because the distance between him and the 60 truck is only going to increase.

Milky > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 12:36

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I am not talking about scenarios and what you value more.

IF YOU GET PASSED ON THE RIGHT YOU ARE IN THE WRONG.

Complete your pass and get back in the right lane.

Milky > Elumerere 03/10/2016 at 12:36

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Its a hard concept for some people to get apparently.

Chariotoflove > brianbrannon 03/10/2016 at 12:55

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It is if I’m overtaking someone. If you define traffic specifically as “those who must go as fast as they want or they are being held up”, then sure. And if you think your preferences supersede mine, then right back atcha. That’s not moral superiority; it’s not-give-a-fuckery. :)

The irony that you are missing is that you think that whatever you want to do takes precedence on the road while those around you who think the same are being assholes, and everybody involved thinks they have the moral high ground. Which was the point of my experiment.

Chariotoflove > Urambo Tauro 03/10/2016 at 12:57

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I think that is a good analysis. And where courtesy fails, taking a deep breath and waiting it out is a good fall back.

Chariotoflove > Milky 03/10/2016 at 13:01

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“IF YOU GET PASSED ON THE RIGHT YOU ARE IN THE WRONG.”

Disagree with that blanket statement, as I have been passed on the right by someone who is trying to squeeze a gap that wouldn’t fit a cozy coupe safely because they couldn’t wait for a clearance that I consider to be appropriate.

“Complete your pass and get back in the right lane.”

I’ll take it under advisement, thanks! :D

Milky > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 13:27

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“ .... that I consider to be appropriate.”

I may be an asshole, but at least I know it.

brianbrannon > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 14:12

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.. No. The point is that just because someone is going faster than you doesn’t make them an asshole. You are the asshole holding up traffic but thinking it’s okay because you are better than them because you are less breaking the law. It’s called hipocracy but I don’t think giving you word for it will help you understand it

Chariotoflove > Milky 03/10/2016 at 15:02

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Maybe you are, and maybe you aren’t. I certainly don’t know you well enough to judge. I’m quite certain I can be an asshole, and all I have to go by to measure that is my internal judgement. I certainly can’t be worried about others’ determination on the issue, especially those who don’t know me.

Chariotoflove > brianbrannon 03/10/2016 at 15:12

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Don’t think I ever said the person going faster than I is an asshole. The whole point of my exercise was to point out that everyone always seems to think they are better than everyone else, when in fact that cannot be true, just like you can’t have everyone be better than average. You’ve helped me illustrate the concept nicely. Thank you.

Also, you misspelled hypocrisy.

Milky > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 15:40

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I’m just going to leave a comment from the FP that you choose to not reply to.

... I don’t get how it’s even possible for you to be this self-righteous about this: clearly you don’t care about following rules, considering you’ve already admitted to:

A) Speeding
B) Not keeping right except to pass

...both of which are rules. So let me get this straight: when you break the rules it’s OK because you’re a great person, but when other people break a rule more than you , it’s a display of poor judgement / taste and is obviously offensive?

I’m glad you are no longer a Michigan driver.

Chariotoflove > Milky 03/10/2016 at 16:06

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My friend, you keep stumbling over this concept: I am not saying I am better than anyone else. I am just saying they no-one is better than I. Please don’t read anything more into it than that. When I get into the left lane, it’s because I judge that it’s the correct thing to do under the circumstances. I do it when I’m not going to impede anybody under normal conditions. Your entire rant against me has be focused on one specific potential circumstance wherein someone blasts up behind me in the left lane, usually also cruising in that lane by virtue of their extreme speed, and wants me to get over because their use of the left lane takes precedence over mine. Well I don’t recognize the priority of their claim. Hey, I’m not saying I won’t get over, but I’ll do it when I don’t have to scrub all my own momentum, i.e: when there is plenty of space over right. But then again, if there was plenty of space, I’d probably be in the right lane in the first place. If Tailgating Guy doesn’t like my priorities, well then I don’t give a shit. But for most of the time I play the nice little speed demon like everyone else.

I’d say I’m sorry if I offended you, but if fact I don’t feel responsible for it. You’re getting yourself all worked up over some imagined insult by some guy on the internet. Relax! And if you’re ever in Dallas, let me know. I’ll buy you a beer and we’ll find out that neither of us is really an asshole. No seriously, I mean it. Until then, have a great day!

Milky > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 16:40

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Not worked up, I just cant wrap my head around how you act aware of “ selective ethics ” and “ ... everyone think(s) ‘I’m a better driver than everyone else. ’” Yet at the same time say “ ... by virtue of their extreme speed .”

You’re an example of your experiment.

Chariotoflove > Milky 03/10/2016 at 17:27

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Hey, let’s do another experiment!

Last word. :D

jmedarts > Chariotoflove 03/10/2016 at 20:41

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Without pasting from your orig post, I seem to recall a bit about not wanting to weave in and out of the right lane. This post IMHO pretty clearly says there was no opportunity to move right at all. From my viewpoint, if you are passing people you have a right to be in the left lane, even if I want to go faster. But you should get out of my way when the opportunity arises, and I should haul ass past you if it's a small gap so as not to run you into the bumper of the car in front of you. Some will disagree, towards both extremes, but if you aren't presenting exactly the same scenario, it's kind of silly to accuse FP commenters of being a bunch of savages.

brianbrannon > Chariotoflove 03/11/2016 at 20:24

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So, the person who wants to drive ten under in the fast lane is morally justified because of don’t give a fuckery? They are holding up traffic, you are holding up traffic. How does this not compute?

brianbrannon > Chariotoflove 03/11/2016 at 21:11

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It’s so meta it’s kinda lovely. You trolled the FP saying people drive thinking no one else matters above themselves but they don’t realize it and you drive the exact same way and don't realize it

Chariotoflove > brianbrannon 03/12/2016 at 15:57

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Dude, what post are you reading? Why would I ever go 10 under in the fast lane? The only reason I would be in the fast lane in the first place is to go faster than the people in the right lane. So what are you arguing about? And tell me, who am I holding up in traffic?

brianbrannon > Chariotoflove 03/14/2016 at 00:22

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I just hope you really aren't this obtuse. Person going ten under is holding up traffic =inconsiderate asshole. You going 5-10 and holding up traffic =inconsiderate asshole.